Hi. I'm the Web Design Group reference guy[0]. This is an attempt to create a workable alternative to Netscape's frameset implementation. While their concept is nice, I feel there are many problems with the implementation. 1) Other than the initial frameset, no frameset configurations can be bookmarked. This makes it impossible to refer to a specific set of documents. 2) There is no information on *why* the framed documents belong together. 3) Providing content to non-supporting browsers requires a lot of extra work. Frames are not backwards compatible. My proposal approaches the technique from the other site. Rather than providing the layout first, with a list of the documents to load, the frameset is defined for *a document*, using the LINK element. Using the REL and REV attribute, all the other frames are specified. The frameset configuration is specified in a separate file, which is defined using . The syntax for this file is just like Netscape's syntax, but the SRC attribute on the FRAME element is ignored. Each frame should be given the name given in the REL or REV attribute. This proposal has the following advantages: 1) If no support for frames is present, the content can still be read. 2) Browsers that support building toolbars for LINK elements can use this new syntax. 3) Browsers that support the 'old' frameset syntax can use the document defined in the REL=frameset link to set out the site. 4) Each frameset can be bookmarked. Only documents containing a full set of LINKs can be displayed in frames, so for every frameset that you see there is a unique URL. Disadvantages: 1) Lots of extra work. The frameset configuration has to be duplicated in every document, even when it is output from a CGI. 2) You can't "frame" existing documents without modifying them first. I'm not sure if this is a disadvantage - usually this is not appreciated by the maintainer of the "framed" documents or site. 3) There are some subtle problems with the names of the frames, as one REL=frameset document can be used for multiple frames. I'm not sure how to handle this. The only serious problem I can see right now is that the frameset document does not "know" which document it is for; since that is not defined in a LINK element, it is not assigned a name and so you can't indicate the frame it should go into. This could be fixed by using a list of elements in the frameset document, which is used to look up the name for the current document and to determine its location in the frameset. For example: Document A looks like this: Document A

Document A

Document B looks like this: Document B

Document B

Document frames.html looks like this: Frameset for A & B And the result looks like this: +----------------+ | Document B | +----------------+ | Document A | +----------------+ Any comments and suggestions for improvement are welcome. Galactus [0] Who spots the reference? :-) -- E-mail: galactus@htmlhelp.com .................... PGP Key: 512/63B0E665 Maintainer of WDG's HTML reference: